"I have nothing further to say to you except all of the things I'm about to say...."sirus wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:47 pmWell, there went the argument. I have no response to you anymore. You didn't say anything in your last post in response to me Jace other than to be belligerent. So, yeah. This argument is pretty much done. But because I'm a glutten for punishment and have a keyboard and am not just on my cell, let's do this.
Again... you just said something. But no... that literally is the plot of TWOK. It's not an oversimplification. It's a byline. It's exactly the plot summed up into one sentence and covers all the bases of the main crux of what drives the plot.
I do indeed have a hard time acknowledging things that don't exist. Perhaps it's a character flaw.
But I cannot prove something doesn't exist. You can't prove a negative. But just because a bunch of people have issues with something doesn't make it bad or not canon or whatever your latest statement is.
No, it was me directly mocking your declaration. I didn't find it necessary to argue it since... you don't get to decide.
Except of course that it IS canon. Again... you don't get to decide. You can throw a fit if you want every day of the week and twice on Sundays, stomp your feet, make sweeping declarations and come off like a spoiled, entitled "fan" all you want... but the show takes place in the Prime universe and it exists. Therefore, it's canon. You don't have to like it.
Realize that just because you're entitled to your opinion doesn't mean other people have to agree with you and don't have the right to tell you all the reasons why on a forum we both share.
I never would likely have said anything to you if not for your direct insistence that the show isn't canon and you cannot abide it.
Basically, I responded to you because you threw a tantrum and I thought it would be amusing.
Yes. Yes you are. "All Change is bad!" "This is not trek!" "I will not recognize this as Canon!" As if anyone cares...
As opposed to a super special crystal that doesn't obey the laws of known physics allowing it to regulate matter/antimatter reactions?
The fact that you think it bares any resemblance at all to the Warp Drive of the Enterprise just because it has a potentially similar function doesn't surprise ME at all. Thing is.. I actually know what I'm talking about. They are not in ANY way similar. The Cochrane drive actually moves the starship faster than light, requiring deflector shields and other such technology to deal with shit it might fly into. The Alcubierre drive doesn't move the ship it's attached to AT ALL. It moves SPACE.
No, they are both precisely the same amount of realistic: Which is to say... Un.
Yeah because no technologies that exist in this world could possibly share tech with other similar things, right? I mean, the plane I was on 2 weeks ago and the space shuttle both have jet engines and use the similar liquid fuels, but I don't think I'm taking the boeing to space anytime soon.
Bad metaphor on your part, but since you don't even understand how your previous comparisons work, I'll just let it go at that.
You don't HAVE a real argument because there isn't one to have. It didn't happen on screen. The Transwarp project was abandoned canonically because it didn't work and despite what you seem to think... you have zero control over what is considered canon.
No if CBS calls it Star Trek... then it's Star Trek. They own Star Trek. They get to decide. That's how copyright works. Why you don't get that is beyond me...
By that definition alone, Discovery is Star Trek. It looks like Star Trek. It sounds like Star Trek. It plays out like Star Trek.
Oh for christ's sake...
Orville is meh. Orville is the same stories we've already seen, recycled, and told with slightly more humor attached. No thanks. It's fine for what it is, but you know what it isn't?
Star Trek. It's just an homage. No more.
What about Axanar? They were dumb enough to crowd fund the money to do something they should have just funded themselves if they had planned to do it. You cannot crowd fund on someone else's IP if there's no open license or contract to do so. IP law is pretty straight forward about that kind of thing.
Some fans. Discovery's reviews and ratings have been good since the outset by the vast majority of people. It's just people who can't accept the differences, like you, who are clamoring for it to go away and wanting to see it fail.
Are you joking? There's a reason Enterprise was cancelled. Trek WAS dying then. People didn't care anymore. ENT waited too long to become worth watching regularly. The Trek fanbase had largely written it off or walked away from it. Only diehards were even bothering. You're remembering things the way you want them to be and not the way they were...
Thank you for finally FINALLY being honest here.sirus wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:47 pm...and that doesn't even go into the size of it when TNG, DS9, and VOY were on the air. Trek used to be more than this. And now it has been mismanaged to hell and Discovery is the latest symptom of this. I have never bothered to pretend to like anything made by CBS for Trek and I won't start now. I don't like Discovery because I don't like the way it treats canon and I really don't like the way some new fans talk to us older fans who have a problem. Yes, yes I would have liked it if it looked exactly like it did in the 60s. I freaking adored Star Trek Continues and they worked their butts off to make it look just right. I loved Prelude to Axanar because they gave a crap about getting the look of the era right. If Discovery couldn't do that era right, they shouldn't have done that era.
You just don't like change. CBS has the rights and they're doing it their own way, which is their right, and you don't like and you refuse to like it. And you don't like all these new fans in your space. I'm not a new fan, by the way, but I don't stand for gatekeeping.
You say you would have liked it if it looked the same as it did back int he 60s...
Okay. Maybe you would have. It would have bored 90% of everyone else. It would have looked terrible, dated and out of place on modern TV. And with the existence of Enterprise already accepted, there was no reason to return to the 60s look of everything being so bland and cardboard. And also, this wasn't the Enterprise.
But at least you're finally telling the truth: You don't like it because it wasn't what you wanted.
It has nothing to do with Discovery... it has everything to do with you.
So do us both a favor, Sirus... just stop. Do what you said you were going to do a couple posts ago and stop.
Because you look foolish. Not because there aren't people who agree with you. There are. But they are able to express their opinions in such a way that doesn't seem like someone throwing a tantrum, without the numerous spelling and grammatical errors, and don't hate the show simply to hate it and are willing to give it a chance to grow into something they can truly enjoy even if they don't right now. They aren't throwing around declarations how it isn't canon or pretending like they understand theoretical physics and speculative propulsion.